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Sunday, July 1, 2012

Walt is back with a Blog.


In my older age I have either forgotten how to directly add content or never could and forgotten that too. Would you be so kind as to add the following with the same title? Thanks,
Walt
Chris (or was it Jeff?), go take a powder, this will upset you.
First off, so as to not offend anyone's sensitivities, Pauly, you are doing this town such a tremendous service with this blog, you certainly deserve kudos. Thank you. But, when you are wrong or ill-informed or don't know the full facts, well, it's only fair the 'opposing' view gets aired.
Pauly, and others, you want to go after school teachers? Really???? OK. But before I get started there, allow me to point out we live in Mayberry RFD, not South Boston, not South Providence, Not da Bronx. Why are there local patrolmen clearing over $100,000 per year. “Get it?” The Chief of Police, who I think is doing a terrific job and, ultimately responsible for the safety of all of us, does not get anything near that. This is Mayberry.
What's the worst that happens, well, besides the few unfortunate self inflicted things I won't go into....some twenty-somethings, new to alcohol, get into a fist fight, some ex-boyfriend gets liquored up and slashes his ex-girlfriends tires to convince her she made the right choice. Since the dawn of time, raging testosterone and alcohol never ever made a good mix.
Let me tell you something about teachers you folks likely don't know, man behind the curtain and all. Well, OK, I need to preface what I am about to say by acknowledging there are certainly bad teachers, just like there are bad highway dept workers, bad barbers, bad politicians, etc. Get it? They are few and far between but they do exist. Who I refer to are the good ones. Allow me to enlighten you all about what you don't see. These people spend four years of their life, post secondary education, getting a degree in something, math, science, history, etc and then minor in education. No, not fluff, not easy A, there is a science to teaching kids, early childhood, elementary, middle school, and those really nasty of critters, the post pubescent high-schoolers. That's right, there are specialties in education. Get it? So these, now 22 year olds, get lucky enough to get a job teachers everyone's ...um...youth. No, it's not prancing through any fields of wild flowers, it's fricking tough. You get NO respect from the parents and certainly none from the kids. It's a thankless job. BUT, you're not done with your education, you have to, by law, get an advanced degree in education, either, early childhood, elementary, middle school math/science, middle school humanities, or high-school subject specialties, like English, Math, Biology, Chemistry, Physics, History. So, you got your day job, your night-time job, papers and research for it plus, oh yeah, you got the homework you assigned to correct. And you have to do that for years. OK, so now you got your Masters in Education degree. For many, STILL not done, you got more, you have CAGS, you have PhD. CAGS, btw, is Certificate in Advanced Graduate Studies. The requirement for that is only slightly less than that for a doctorate. Back to salaries, nobody comes out of the gate at $46,000, grade 1 step 1 is something like mid 20's plus or minus, likely low 20's. You add the time and effort it takes to do a day job and go to grad school 12 months a year and after many years the salary increases. So you've got someone with 20 years of education, no not 20 years of breathing air, but of education and you (collective you, not just Pauly) are whining they earn $46,000 per year? Really???? So you have people, most of whom, have advanced graduate level degrees and they are still being treated like shit by the parents who don't know how to be parents, don't enforce or encourage, their...um....offspring to study hard, pay attention, learn, and get to the point they can be successful as adults. Equally they get treated like shit by the, um....children, who for some unfathomable reason are allowed to get away with gross disrespect for adults.
What do these people do during the summer? They take more graduate level courses, they re-tweak their lesson plans so as not to be stale. They read the latest work done in science or math or history or education or work on how to make their course more interesting to the students. Of course there are some that frack off but the good ones, the ones that deserve to be kept, work. For those other $24,000 per year workers, when they leave the job at 3pm or 4 pm or lunch, they are done for the day, done until the following day. Teachers, grade papers, teachers do lesson plans, teachers take graduate level degree courses, on their own dime. From late August until mid June, a teachers day rarely ends before 11pm, 8am until 11pm. Get it? When you do the math now the kid who cold packs the pot holes is making more money per year than a lot of teachers. To be sure, we need the kid who goes out and fills pot holes, just make no mistake about the per-hour rate teachers get compared to other town employees.

Have I lost anyone yet?
Oh, there will be a part II. I am sure I raised more than a couple of eye brows with my 'be successful as adults” comment. I will give you all a hint though... please go our and read “The World is Flat” by Thomas Friedman. When you get done with that, read “That Used to Be Us” by the same author.
Ah, before I take a breather, I want every last one of you to close your eyes, no, not now, keep reading. Close your eye and imagine, if you will, spending 7 hours a day with disrespectful kids, prepubescent, or slightly post pubescent kids, no not 1 or 2 or even 20, but 40 at a time. I'll give you all another hint, at 40 to 1 it isn't teaching any longer, it is warehousing. At 30 to 1 it is a challenge to keep the ones who what to learn from being distracted by the ...um....others that are hell bent to distract them from learning and be the stars of their own show. Every time you vote down one of these overrides, you raise the student, and I use that term cautiously, to teacher ratio which results in a poorer result for everyone.
Again, I urge everyone to read those two books. If you do nothing else this summer, read those two books. I'll be back with part II.

12 comments:

  1. I hear what you are saying & agree that there is hardly any respect for teachers (or anybody for that matter) at all these days from kids & many of the parents. I know, I have family & friends who are teachers & see how hard they work & hear the same complaints from them. In fact, 2 happen to be special ed. teachers, who got drastic cutbacks. With the cuts in funding for that & many other programs I see one of them bringing home work & staying at it until the work is completed after regular school hours, sometimes very late into the night. Also, I have seen her purchase paper, pens, art supplies, etc. for her students because they cut back on supplies. I've given her money, as well, to help with her extra curriculum that was no longer available to her through govt. cuts. I didn't stay with teaching in college or after for many of the reasons you have sited, which have only gotten worse as the years go by. I am sorry that one of my blogs looked like I was implying teachers weren't worth what they were getting these days. I know most teachers are wonderful & work hard but there are many (I don't just mean here) who are tenured because of the union that shouldn't be there at all & are affecting education by hampering efforts to get more qualified teachers. It is almost impossible to remove bad educators so someone who is more worthy & dedicated could have that slot. Also, my comments were more geared toward Administrative salaries that are out of sight. I don't apologize for that statement. Blogging is good but often times the full meaning is lost in translation of the reader & key elements or words not expressed by the blogger. It is all subject to interpretation. One can't write everything down in the space allotted so much is slanted in some views. I respect what teachers have to go through but I also respect anyone who works hard, degree or not. I worked very hard for my college degree & no one but myself put me through. I understand all you are saying & I don't think you will find that people (for the most part) want to "go after teachers", including me. We are just in a very rough period of time with the slumping economy & many many people don't even have a job anymore. So, it's not that people don't want teachers to have a good salary, get what they need or frown on a new school. It's the concern of how are we going to pay for all this & where is it going to come from? Pauly reitierates that it is on the DOR books that the average salary here is ONLY $23,000.00 annually. How far can this go for a family of say, even just 4, with the price of gas, groceries, taxes, utilities, medical, college, etc. etc?? At present, it is an extremely trying time in every area of our society & we ALL have to work together to try to fix it. Every person, every dept, every agency, anything & anybody you can think of has to cut back & readjust to what is happening at this moment in time. There are lots of things that are needed & much that is wanted. Ideally, it would be great to grant everyone their wishes but, it is just not possible right now. Not, only because of the economy but due to the gross mismanagement of this town's finances by past "leaders". Hopefully, with some of our new leadership these things will begin to get resolved. For now, we can't do any overrides. We just don't have it!! These are all my opinions. Sorry if at times they might offend someone. My intent is to help with another viewpoint but at times there may be misunderstandings. This is what blogging & starting a discussion is for. It is good to see people participating with other views. Have a good week everyone!

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  2. I agree that the teachers are not the problems, they are no different than town employees and should not be treated different, not better or not worse. The problem is with the administration as always that have bled every cent from Templeton and then moved on to leave the new Superintendant (who seems like the best we've had in a while) to suffer the consequences.

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  3. Well, I have to take issue with that assessment, teachers are WAY different than normal town employees. If your garbage doesn't get collected one week, it affects only you, and only for a week. If there is a water main break, it affects those homes down stream from it but only for a few hours, a day maybe.

    This actually the thesis of part II but the role of the teacher is to ensure students have the necessary knowledge, skills, where-with-all, to be successful as adults. What does that mean? If you take the collection of students in Templeton, it means the the next generation of leaders and workers of Templeton will know enough, be aware enough, to make the town and the people in it prosper. Taking students to mean all students in Massachusetts, the they have the tools to make Massachusetts work. A prerequisite for that is to know how a government is supposed to work.

    The difference between an adult and a 3 yr old is the 3 year old throws a temper tantrum when they don't get their way, the adult is supposed to do better than that. Leadership is the art of convincing, the art of compromise. Not my way or frack you and everything else you want.

    Being successful as an adult is way different than it was when ....opps I'm using the a word again, start the timer for a sharp idiotic response. One hundred years ago being successful mean for a 14 year old girl, she was capable of producing children and keeping house and raising them until they could enter the work force helping out dad on the farm.
    For the guy it was competing with a handful of other guys for the farm jobs and non-farm jobs. It is Way different now, what one, male or female, needs to know is vastly more. This is why public education went from ending after 8th grade to ending after 12th grade. And I would argue part of the problem we have is that the graduating class of any school, especially NRSD is not prepared to compete against every other 18 year old on the planet. Wishing that away just simply will not work.

    Getting one's panties is a twist because what the new superintendent did for an office is a fouls errand. The better reason to get your knickers in a twist is NRSD produces less National Merit Scholars than South Boro.

    But I get ahead of myself here.

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  4. Well lets see, 30 kids to one teacher, when did that become a big deal? Years and years we had that many kids and look what has been done by kids who were one of thirty in a class, look at whats was done by people who skipped college. The advanced degress are now requirements by the state who is pushed by the teacher unions who demand this this this and that. Please oh please when talking about the teacher to kid ratio, don't forget the paraprofessionals, as in teacher aides and helpers $718,379.00, $57,201.00 for professional developement, see a trend here, lot of money spent on other things than teachers. Teachers have people to grade homework, make lesson plans etc etc. Walt does make some valid points but there is alot of fat in the school budget and it gets there as a result of statemandates which come from unions which are made up of teachers, so part of the problem is the teachers, the other haf is the parents who want the schools to raise little johnny but get bent out of shape when the school does that. If teachers would go back to teaching basics and lawmakers and parents would let them, we would all be better off. Plumbers and electricians have to take course and keep up to date on alot of things and they don't get the summer off to accomplish this, so who is crying now and who has their panties in a wad? Can't wait to see part II, give me something to read and please Walt, don't stay gone so long this time.

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    1. I don't think we need to get into a debate as to who's job is more important and who deserves a larger salary and who doesn't. All town employees are equally important in order for a healthy community. No need to beat up on teachers or any other town dept. The point is, all employees should be paid and treated with respect equally. Problems with bullying, playing favorites and other personal agendas has run rampant in Templeton for a long while. How does THAT issue get handled? Personnel Board & Select Board. Some town bylaws are conflicting. That needs to be fixed. In the past, there have been people on both boards that have let their personal issues taint their actions. There are new boards now, and hopefully that won't happen moving forward. We should look at the personnel policies in comparable towns to see how they operate. Is turning to an HR Dept a better way to go?

      And welcome back Walt. happy to read your words.

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    2. I, absolutely, did not intend to imply one job better than the other. It's just as for 'summers off'. Wait, it the water main breaks and some town employees are out at 10pm under flood lights, they are on OT. If a patrolman decides to pull an extra detail, they are on OT. If a nurse pulls a second shift, they are on OT. If the teacher, which most teachers do, are up until 11pm grading papers, there is no OT. It's not one profession is better than another, they are just different. And yes, I believe unions (and special interest groups) need to learn how to eat their own. But that is a whole 'nother rant. Be it teachers unions or NRA.

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    3. Point of fact ... paras in classrooms are there to help kids on IEPs and for most teachers, you MIGHT have two classes per day with a para in it but most classes, you don't have anyone but yourself. As for "having someone to grade papers and do lesson plans"- HUH??? That's the teacher's job and nobody does it for them.

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    4. ummmm... that is not always the case that nobody else but teachers grade papers or lesson plans. I know for a fact because a teacher told me herself that she takes papers home and has her husband grade them! i was beside myself when she told me, no one but a teacher should be doing that! i also know for a fact because i have two children that went through Narragansett, that they have other kids in the class grade papers (they do this during class time, grade or correct each others papers) which in my opinion is totally wrong! all the kids then talk about what each other got for grades and if someone didn't do all that well, then everyone knows all about it!

      If someone decides to make teaching their career, then they should also have done their research and know what is expected of them even if it is making $30,000 or more a year. i've read the town report and it is not right that some teachers make close to $100,000 yes that figure is right - department heads make a lot of money for 180 days a year! i for one do not feel bad for the teachers, they should know what they are getting into before they decide on this career.

      Narragansett has some awesome teachers but i believe those a far and few in between.

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  5. My panties are twisted because former administrators spent money on themselves instead of putting it where it counts, THEY and ONLY THEY are responsible for the shortfalls in education that our kids are not recieving.

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    1. Yes, I so agree with you Movin On & I also believe J above. We have major problems in the school system & the teacher's union that some are not willing to "see" or admit!! As Judge Judy says, "Don't pee on my leg & tell me it's raining" My opinion, as always!

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