Long ago I was told by those that know of Templeton. Light
and Water had a true commission and were on top of the issues and actions at
that time. The names Dembeck,Kwasny, were said to be “no nonsense people” They
were the checks and balance that we now lack at light and water. When that
generation faded out is when the dimming started at the Light and Water. As
they evolved into what now is a combined light and water, control has been
changed to a commission that is a part of l+w and just a rubber stamp of the general
manager and has been that way ever since .Laws of open meeting, violated and
many issues were swept under the surface and always the attention put on the
power being on and not losing it in storms. Quick to compare with others that
did a lesser service and had a poorer response than them. Treatment of other commissioner’s
questions put aside and ignored, like the audit for the multimillion dollar
wind turbine, still incomplete. When we all suffered during the big ice storm
in 2008, we all went into the dark .It took several days and millions to
restore it. That storm did a great job of thinning the forest and of week and
old trees and wires/poles that were a problem or soon to be one. Thank you Mother
Nature and Templeton light workers, kudos to you and your efforts. Templeton appreciates
all you do. This petition is not about you or your performance.
When the light started to dim the main change was the
manager and his way to manipulate a departments resources to gain a department
so to have more control over Templeton to expand his responsibilities and also
promote a top heavy management at light and water that can’t be sustained with the way things are now or were
then. Previous management raises and pensions speak to the fact that is what
you see now. When the light started to dim at light the debt started to grow
and will never be paid off. The debt for water department is staggering and the
amount to sustain /maintain is not any amount Templeton can take on, were at our debt
limit now or have been. Rates are a function of the commission and were not a
issue as time went on, they increased and the budgets expanded to include power
production to include the mega loans we are also stuck with .Wind is the most
expensive and problematic of any power there is to produce. Why are we into it
up to our wallets and soon to be further in debt for it is the lack of a
functioning commission .The check and balance light went out completely when
the 4.00 minimum was expanded in 2009 to include all ratepayers and increased
the income by 168,000.00 ,48.00 per meter per year. Gee thanks for allowing me
to be a customer of my town owned light department .When asked about the 4.00
at a commission meeting I was told it was a minimum charge, then it’s a for
overhead ultimately explained it for the billing we send out /sublet our
billing. Clearly the issue was something they didn’t want to talk about and
gave obtuse answers to us when we ask; it took 3 meetings to get to the truth
about the cost to now be a customer. A very negative attitude was taken by the
chairman and the commission because of the questions being asked and when a
video recorder was brought in the next meeting they were more than willing to
cooperate with us and answer special questions. They finally showed us the
respect they should have shown from the start. Answers were forth coming and with
some detail, had to be thought up and manipulated to line up with the previous
answers. The general manager has an issue with people asking questions and will
give deliberately obtuse answers more then I think we realize. When we started
to follow the light and were asking about the pilot payment Templeton receives
we were all threatened with higher rates
and told it’s lucky the town gets what they do. When we asked how the amount
they give is figured, we were told the general has a formula in the desk .As I
and others with a bigger calculator checked the facts come out at the light
department Templeton is in the dim.
Templeton was in the dim and getting the answers to our questions was getting
answered by people with no stake in this. Yes there is a formula but not the
one they used. When the D.O.R. report
was also shown the dim path Templeton was again put in the dark as we look back
now the light was not in favor of the dor report and also the general manager
then had to answer to the BOS chairman the main reason for the DOR report was
not even discussed and the reps sent were insulted and sent away. Templeton
should have seen the light for what it was, we didn’t then and now were stuck
with a ballooning debt, unsustainable water budget and a commission with an
attitude that Templeton’s problems have nothing to do with them. If you ran the
town like a business like L+W you wouldn’t have the problems you have. As we
now know when it started to dim was around 2000. When the water takeover
happened and Templeton was sleeping she was being taken advantage of by a few
who stood to gain the most. People in
position with the ability to cover the tracks and stonewall good selectmen that
dare ask questions were silenced and belittled by the majority votes and the
attitude of the chairman of both BOS , L+W are from the same mold . It’s time
for Templeton to break the hold and also the mold, put the lights back on in
Templeton for the Templeton future.
Shareholder
Dave Smart
nicely written ----by Julie
ReplyDeleteI was lucky to know Mr. Dymbek and Mr. Kwasney. They were very proud of the job they did as Light Commissioners. They would stand up at the Annual Town Meeting and announce how much money they could return to the town for that past year. Yes, RETURN TO US!! It was our money and they watched over the business like it was their own. Once these two wonderful men were gone, the new guy could take over. That is exactly when the lights started to dim. There was no one to watch over this guys. No one to question the business practices that were made. With pretty much a open check book, there was no reason for him to show any restraint in the money he spent. There was no one to ask why, the payroll was higher! With the Water Department now a part of the Light Company the control one man had over both departments gave Mr.Skelton clear sailing over the money and payrolls of both. It is very sad that he took advantage of this power. The worse part of this deal is the attitude that developed at the Light and Water Company. No longer did these guys, Commissioners and management, feel the need to be open and transparent about what was taking place at the light company. Like a spoiled child, they no longer feel the need to answer the citizens. Sometimes things happen for a reason! When a group of citizens attended a light and water meeting, they were treated with very badly. They did not have to be accountable to us, and pretty much let us know it! Mr.Kwasney and Mr.Dymbek would have been so so upset. It is time to get this department under control. No, you do not give us more money, by raising the rates!! Oh yes, they have no intention of helping the town. The way they see things, is we have a problem! It is our tough luck!! Well guys, that is not how it is going to work! It is our light company, it is time to take it back. The town is in trouble, and our only way out is if we work together. We may as well start now, its as good a time as any. This is my opinion, Bev.
DeleteNot written by me---Julie Farrell
ReplyDeleteI sign my name to my blogs.
My opinion...supported by FACTS ! ! !
Julie Farrell
Hey Anon 3:36
ReplyDeleteIs that you Dennis? I didn't think you could spell my name correctly.
I agree that this blog is nicely written---by Dave Smart.
If you check my prior blog postings, you might notice my syntax is quite different from that used in this blog.
Just sayin'
Have a great day!
I don't think its dennis. He is not smart enough to go on the interweb.
Deletedon't thing Dennis would know the definition of the word syntax
DeleteI thunk syntax was a tax on porn !
DeleteSyntax- a tax on porn, booze and cigarettes
DeleteWell said Dave , Just remember at the town meeting to have your questions ready for ALL to here . I for one did sign your petition however based on the out come and response of the light and water commish . Then and ONLY then will I deside my vote . Thanks for the LIGHT
ReplyDeleteSorry to let you know anon 3;36 this blog was all me no plugs at all and off the top of my aching head when i got out of bed at 8am today. The fact that i spent a whole 10 maybe 15 top minutes is all the proof i need to tell me this IS the correct path Templeton needs to follow and take the commission out of the loop. I have been at every meeting for the last 7 months and have heard all the issues 1st hand and don't have anyone telling me what to say,or how to say it,write it,or spell it. This is all Dave Smart and there is no way Julie needs to be labeled for it. She will sign her own, she always does.This light will shine only the truth and Templeton will have the chance to rid itself of the dim lies of the past. Please join the vote and help us all see the light.This change is for our own good!Not theirs for a change.
ReplyDeleteShareholder
Dave Smart
Everyone with a 5th grade education knows electricity and water don't mix.
ReplyDeleteBut the rent they pay the light company over 33k is just icing on the cake.
ReplyDeleteShareholder
what a bunch of crapp! dave,have you read the open meeting laws or are you still breaking them yourself???
ReplyDeleteHow does Dave break the open meeting laws??? he isn't on any board or commission. So anon 6:40Am obviously YOU don't understand the OML you must be a L&W commissioner.
ReplyDeleteI for one can't wait to ask Dana and Chris questions. I bet Gregg Edward won't even be there. I just heard that Chris Stewart took out papers for Selectman. This is a man that who has stated that he can't stand the meetings. and has made comments about people in the audience. Maybe he thinks Dave Smart's petition is going to pass and he wants to be sure he still gets a pay check. By the way is there anything with an ethics violation with chris being a selectmen and a L&W commissioner and getting paid to be the scorekeeper at basketball games. Could they hire a highschool for that.
ReplyDeletesorry meant highschool student
ReplyDeleteIf the petition passes, I hope the first thing that is done is eliminate that pay as well (for L&W comm.) Also, last year as I tracked down an ethics question concerning warrants and who should sign them, I was told by state ethics that if you have a financial interest on a warrant, you should probably not sign it. With the elimination of any monies for elected positions, that concern is pretty much over.
ReplyDeleteChris S is running again ?!? WHY ?? he should just fade away....if he hates the job so much then why run ??
ReplyDeleteI do NOT trust him.
He has said on camera more than once that he did not want to be on the BOS. If I have time over the weekend, I will search the videos to find it. We all know his passion lies with the Rec Committee. So leave the L&W and BOS positions open for others who have a passion for helping the town evolve. Now more than ever we need people who have the best interest for the town in mind. The time for silly games and electing people just to "take up space" is over. PM needs to focus on finishing his outdoor patio. CS needs to focus on making sure he makes it to all the remaining basketball games. There has been little progress accomplished by the BOS since last election. Any progress can be attributed to Mr. Ritter and citizens pushing issues forward. Example: what role did the BOS play in getting requested financial info from the L&W dept? One selectman signed a letter to be sent to them...the other three refused to sign it. Is that progress? Is that leadership to be proud of? If CS runs again, he will have to answer to exactly what his accomplishments have been as a BOS member in his term. I would love to know the answer. Maybe it will be "enlightening".
DeleteI hope every person running for elected office will attend Candidates Night and answer questions from the people who will vote for them or not. I have written down a list of questions and would love to know the answers each candidate has. If a candidate does not show up (like Columbus last election) then they do not get my vote. Plain and simple.
ReplyDeleteWhen you think about it, Chris Stewart has got a lot of ba--s to run for selectman again. He said "Be my guest", when David said he would run for selectman, and be willing to run the water and light departments. He is not comfortable being selectman, and most important he has a very bad time, being the least bit objective. He must have gotten his orders from Jerry. It is too bad Chris just can't tell Jerry NO! I DO NOT WANT TO RUN. This man is old enough to stand on his own two feet. Like I said, it is going to be a interesting spring. Bev.
DeleteChris S.you might be a nice guy outside politics but you as a chair have no respect for the people of Templeton.So do the right thing and save the town Money DONT RUN!
ReplyDeleteto anon709am OML states the person taping a meeting must first tell the board that they are going to be taping the meeting!!! watch the vidieo on PB 1_16_2013. any more comments ???
ReplyDeleteYeah, a few. Anon 6:47
ReplyDeleteThe CHAIRMAN is supposed to ASK if anyone is going to tape the meeting. The CHAIRMAN, in this case, Dana Blais, asked Dave Smart to MOVE the camera to the BACK of the room. It is the CHAIRMAN's responsibility to ask. In this case the CHAIRMAN obviously knew the meeting was being recorded as was the case on January 16 2013. Dana was still the CHAIRMAN.
Any more comments?
Have a great day!
I can hardly wait for Paul Q. {Chris's father in law} to stand up and tell us "IF IT ISN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT" Any respect I had for him vanished when he stood up and said "He supported the recall. It was necessary" Oh yes, In a way it worked out for us in the end, but that was not what he had in mind! Bev.
DeleteMaybe Paul Q will say "It's Broke, Fix it"...naah
DeleteThis is the Law. Just as the current Open Meeting Law allows members of the public to make audio or video recordings of open meetings[providing such recording does not interfere with the meeting], the New Law allows this practice. The new Law requires that the person desiring to record a meeting notify the chair, however, and that the chair inform everyone in the room of the recording. As I watch the recorded meetings at no time did Smart Dave ask if he could record.
ReplyDeleteI am sure that David asked Dana before he started filming. As a matter of fact, Dana made him go to the back of the room, with the camera. As far as I am concerned, all meetings should be filmed. If the first meetings were taped, when we met with the Light Comm. It really would have been a shocker. Bev.
DeleteWhat exactly is your point, Anon 9:18am? There's nothing wrong with taping the meetings. And, if you want to play by the rules--cross the t's and dot the i's, then maybe your buddies at the light dept should do the same. Show the public the formula used for PILOT program. Get the audit for the wind turbine and show the public. Get a website up and running with online bill payment. Answer questions about the water main breaks from last summer. Then, maybe all these citizens with their annoying questions would stop going to meetings and (heaven forbid) record them. Then you guys can go back to your little boys club gatherings.
DeleteOpen meeting/public meeting get it? for all to see and hear! So no shenanigans! and to translate for Dana,Dob,Bubba,VW and Scappy that means trickery!
ReplyDeleteAnon 9:18
ReplyDeleteAt no time was a statement made by the chair asking if anyone was recording. The Chairman runs the meeting. You can always file an OML complaint against the Chair. It is the chairman's meeting to run.
Dave Smart is not able to run the meeting as a member of the audience. As a member of the general public, it is not his responsibility to follow the OML. If elected to a board, committee or commission, it will be his responsibility to follow the OML and Ethics. The general public are not required to sign off on the OML rules and regulations; elected officials are required to sign off on the documents. I've signed off on mine. The Town Clerk keeps a record of elected and appointed officials who have complied with Ethics and OML.
Is this why you post as anonymous?
Have a great day!
When i first brought the video to the L+W meeting i asked if it would be a "Problem" if i recorded it.After the chairman asked the g.M they agreed it would be ok. After the meeting started i on tape asked the chairman about informing and inquiring if anyone would be recording it . Thats when i said yes i will be both audio and video. I told him it was his responsibility to do that every meeting. He didn't know!
ReplyDeleteObviously out of touch with the rules and duties of a chairman .
At the last meeting the chairman had me set the recorder in the back of the room. Audio was poor and only the back of the heads were in view. The reason was to not block anyones view, that was not a problem in prior meetings when the room was full. There were less people the last meeting before being asked to set up in the back. I don't recall if the question was asked at the last meeting about the recordings.
Shareholder
Dave Smart
Was the notification a requirement to be on tape? You didn't quote that part of the law, or does it exist?
ReplyDeleteWas the chairman "able" to ask the audience if they were recording? Were you there to see what went on? The shades have been pulled on alot of the echo hill crew members.
Come on people see the light, don't back the dim past. Why no audit of the money spent for the turbine costs? Where did the money go,You and i don't know! I will push to find out.
shareholder
My point was after I watched the video of the L+W meeting it looks like MR SMART told the board he was taping the meeting 2min. 20sec. after he was already taping it. If I am wrong I sincerely appoligise for it. I am sorry for any harm I caused anyone. Something did not look right. Any more comments???
ReplyDeleteThe point of the question to allow video recording was asked properly prior to recording . What you saw when i asked the chairman if anyone was recording was to make the point that he needed the education on the requirement to ask. Thank you for viewing the video and what you saw was at least 10 times as curtious to the audience as previous meetings. My point to record the meetings was to get streight and honest answers to the important questions previously asked and put the General manager on record for the answers given. Also it had the effect of a more open dialog. Pay close atention to the senior center talk with Mr. Moschetti,Harris and our water super ron davin. The facts are the contractors Moschetti and Harris were correct and the work that day did not have to stop as they/we were lead to belive! Just another roadblock for the senior center.Great job commissioners for sticking up for the management. I guess the seniors in town will have one more thing to form their opinion to vote on.
ReplyDeleteShareholder
Dave Smart
According to Sean Hamilton back in 2007 the formula he used was Total Light Dept Assets (from their Balance sheet) divide by 1000 and multiply by a 10 year average of the tax rate.
ReplyDeleteLMAO
DeleteThe Audit of the turbine will never see the light of day! It is going to be so bad, they will really have a problem!! If they think this is bad, us asking questions, the roof would cave in with all the facts. Those are the facts, they are not going to let us see!! Bev.
Deletelaughing my ass off = lmao
ReplyDeleteWhere did that formula originate?
Why did it change and what did they use for true figures for the values?
What they use in the books are far from the true values tax should be based on ask the assessor for the true value and figure how much the town was swindled out of then too.
Page 12 of the OML guide fom the AGs office states that any member of the public has a right to make audio / video recordings of any open session public meeting. Member of public must first notify chair - the chair then must inform the other attendees of the recording. Page 14 of said guide says individuals who allege a violation of OML must first file a complaint with the public body alleged to have violated the OML. It also states that anonymous complaints have no merit and will not be investigated. Notification of recordings are like the information within the OML about removal of disorderly persons, they provide guidance for the chair to run an orderly meeting rather than holding attendees accountable as the OML is designed to hold public officials responsible for thier actions because of past practices. Hope this helps with some apparent confusion on the OML.
ReplyDeleteWhat amazes me is that the L&W commissions and JD have no clue about the OML. case in point was when they didn't go into executive session to discuss Kathy Websters new job. If they were just going to talk about a "position" open session was ok but the minute they started talking about an employee by name it should have been in executive session.
ReplyDeleteCan't talk about creating a position behind closed doors. The entire process of creating the "Business Manager" position is tainted. Creating a position and then filling it with your chosen person, before the job is even created is on the sketchy side of things.
ReplyDeleteWhat were the merits of creating the new position vs retaining the original position? Where did the job description originate? Why wasn't the job description available at that Light and Water meeting for the commissioners to review?
There is a process and procedure for these types of circumstances. You want to create a new position. Get the job description FIRST. Vote the Job description, then post the position, not the other way around.
They have the authority to hire whomever they want. But create the position and post the job properly. Post the job internally for all municipal employees. Accept the resumes and then interview two or three candidates. THEN you can hire the person you were going to hire in the first place. The person you created the job for so you can bump up the salary without being constrained by union contracts. So you can reward a good loyal employee for years of dedication to the "Cause".
What about the bombs julie on 911it get to the bottom of this please
Deletehey Mr. Smart, why didnt you and Bud put the last water pipe in? The Highway Dept. was the sight contractor on the job?
ReplyDeleteWater Dept. Does the water pipes, We had the hole open and ready.
ReplyDeleteThe next thing was to cut holes and core for pipes. Also outside contractor doing that work not highway.
We help expedite any way we can at the senior center and do so with no questions asked to save the town money,Lots of it. View the video and judge for yourself why it did not happen.
In the end the contractor's volunteering were correct!
Harris and Moschetti, Thank you gentlemen for your help.
Dave Smart